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- [S784] Ireland - Birth, Death, Marriage Records, Irish Family History Foundation, ((http://ifhf.rootsireland.ie : 2011)), accessed Oct 11, 2012), Church Baptism Record for: Elizabeth Walsh; Mooncoin parish, County Kilkenny. (Reliability: 3), 11 Oct 2012.
Name: Elizabeth Walsh
Date of Birth:
Date of Baptism: 11-Apr-1788
Address: Moonveen
Parish/District: MOONCOIN
Gender: Female
County Co. Kilkenny
Denomination: Roman Catholic
Father: Richard Walsh
Mother: Margaret Deady
Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1: Richard Keefe
Sponsor 2 /
Informant 2: Catherine Dedy
- [S783] Walsh, Bernard - Email, Walsh, Bernard, May 11, 2012>, "Comments," (Reliability: 3), 9 Oct 2012.
From: "Bernard Walsh"
To: webmaster@rootsdigger.org
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 1:36:43 PM
Subject: Comments
Comments: Paul,
It is with great interest that I read the Fitzpatrick part of your family tree. Initially I thought there was no connection when I saw that John was married to a Mary Wood, as the John I have was married to a Mary Quilty. But then I realised what happen. Quilty is an Anglicization of the Irish word coillte meaning woods or forest , and I would think Mary Americanised her surname to Wood when she came to the US.
Anyway, I would like to add a few generations to your mother?s side of the tree. So here are the ancestors of John and Mary. (All the place names below are in South Kilkenny in the RC parish of Mooncoin)
John Fitzpatrick was baptised 27th Oct 1817 in Mooncoin (so same day as he was born) ? Godparents were Thomas Keefe and Mary Dunphy.
His mother Elizabeth Walsh from Moonveen was baptised 11th Apr 1788 - Godparents Richard Keefe and Catherine Dedy ? so ties with your Battie Welsh (assume it was Bettie)
Her parent ; Richard Walsh Born 1751 according to the 1821 census and Margaret Dedy who died 9th Jan 1795 age 41 (so born 1754) ? transcript from headstone in Rathkieran graveyard.
Richard?s father was Walter Walsh who died 29th Dec 1791 age 74(Born 1717) - Rathkieran
John Fitzpatrick?s father was John born 1784(1821 census) and died 27th Aug 1825 age 38(Born 1787) - Carrigeen graveyard
I believe he was baptised in 1783 in St Patricks church in Waterford to Michael Fitzpatrick and mother Ellen (but I need to go look up that record)
Here is the 1821 census extract for House No. 5 in Moonveen (Civil parish Portnascully)
Richard Walsh 70, 21 acres,; (Fadhu) ; Elizabeth Fitzpatrick 32, Daughter; John Fitzpatrick , 37, Son-in-law ; Richard, 13; Nicholas, 10 ?; Margaret , 8; Ellen,6 ; John, 4(your guy!) ; Mary ? ; Grandchildren; Walter Walsh, 8 Grandson.
Walter was the son of Elizabeth?s brother Michael (baptised 29th Sep 1786)
As for Mary Quilty ? She was born in the townland of Nicholastown and baptised 11th May 1822 ? Godparents James McDonald and Kitty Hoynes. Her father was Michael Quilty born 1796( 1821 census ) in Nicholastown. He died 1st Jun 1846 age 50(1796) and in buried in Mooncoin Old Churchyard. Her mother was Mary Walsh born 1796(1821) or 1799(1851 census) ? she was baptised 16th Jul 1792 in Glengrant - next townland to Moonveen (a few 100 yds apart). She died 1st Apr 1850 age 60(1790) and is buried with her husband in Mooncoin Old Churchyard. Michael and Mary married 21st Feb 1819.
When Michael died in 1846, Mary must have moved the family back to Glengrant as they show up there with Mary?s bachelor brother John in the 1851 census
No. 3 Glengrant John WALSH, 70, farmer, unm., Mary QUILTY 50 sister, m. 1822, Robin Quilty 24 nephew, Ellen Quilty 22 niece. Absent: Mary Quilty niece, in America. Dead: Mary Walsh 51
sister, d. 1850.
As you can see Mary has by this time gone to America which ties in nicely with her arriving when she was 29 ? so sometime around 1850.
The other fact in support of this connection is that Mary and John Fitz married 10th Oct 1848 and had one child in Ireland ? Anastasia born in 1849, who must have died young.
Michael Quilty?s parents were Edmund Quilty born 1761(1821 census) in Nicholastown and Anastasia Quinn B 1765 (townland not named on marriage record from 09th Feb 1792)
Mary Walsh of Glengrant?s parents were Robert Walsh of Glengrant who died 2nd Sep 1812 age 60 (Born 1752) and Eleanor Walsh of Licketstown, born 1753(1821 census) and died 15th Feb 1834 age 78(1756) ? Robert?s father was Edmund Walsh and Eleanor?s father was John Walsh. Both Robert and Mary are buried in Carrigeen.
Mary Quilty(Wood) had a number of brothers and sisters who reminded in Ireland and her sister?s Ellen?s great grandchildren (and their children and grandchildren ) still live in Glengrant today ? so you all have plenty of 4th and 5th cousins. See Peter O?Keefe in 1911 census (her nephew)
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Kilkenny/Portnascully/Glengrant/534919/
Also her brother Edmund?s descendants were still in Nicholastown in 1911 (much check if they still are!) - http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Kilkenny/Tubbriel/Nicholastown/564351/
Also John Fitzpatrick had a brother Michael (Bap 27th Jul 1810) who had multiple descendants in Moonveen right up to the 1950?s - http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Kilkenny/Portnascully/Moonveen/534974/
Many of his Fitzpatrick great grandchildren went to various points in the US in the early 1900?s (Cleveland(OH), Worcester( MA) Davison Co., South Dakota, , PA, NY etc. So you also have multiple US cousins.
Anyway, how am I connected? First I?m from Moonveen and my grandmother was from Glengrant (an O?Keefe). Her great grandmother was a Johanna Walsh also from Glengrant whose marriage witness in 1789 was the above Robert Walsh (Mary Quilty?s grandfather), so I suspect that he was an uncle or brother ? so maybe we are 6th or 7th cousins!
BTW all the Walsh?s above are not related (too closely anyway!). 15% of the population according to the church register in Mooncoin are Walshs.
Anyway, have load more data on your Irish and US cousins, if you want it.
Regards... Bernard
Bernard Walsh
bernardnwalsh@eircom.net
- [S783] Walsh, Bernard - Email, Walsh, Bernard, May 11, 2012>, "Comments," (Reliability: 3), 9 Oct 2012.
From: "Bernard Walsh"
To: webmaster@rootsdigger.org
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 1:36:43 PM
Subject: Comments
Comments: Paul,
It is with great interest that I read the Fitzpatrick part of your family tree. Initially I thought there was no connection when I saw that John was married to a Mary Wood, as the John I have was married to a Mary Quilty. But then I realised what happen. Quilty is an Anglicization of the Irish word coillte meaning woods or forest , and I would think Mary Americanised her surname to Wood when she came to the US.
Anyway, I would like to add a few generations to your mother?s side of the tree. So here are the ancestors of John and Mary. (All the place names below are in South Kilkenny in the RC parish of Mooncoin)
John Fitzpatrick was baptised 27th Oct 1817 in Mooncoin (so same day as he was born) ? Godparents were Thomas Keefe and Mary Dunphy.
His mother Elizabeth Walsh from Moonveen was baptised 11th Apr 1788 - Godparents Richard Keefe and Catherine Dedy ? so ties with your Battie Welsh (assume it was Bettie)
Her parent ; Richard Walsh Born 1751 according to the 1821 census and Margaret Dedy who died 9th Jan 1795 age 41 (so born 1754) ? transcript from headstone in Rathkieran graveyard.
Richard?s father was Walter Walsh who died 29th Dec 1791 age 74(Born 1717) - Rathkieran
John Fitzpatrick?s father was John born 1784(1821 census) and died 27th Aug 1825 age 38(Born 1787) - Carrigeen graveyard
I believe he was baptised in 1783 in St Patricks church in Waterford to Michael Fitzpatrick and mother Ellen (but I need to go look up that record)
Here is the 1821 census extract for House No. 5 in Moonveen (Civil parish Portnascully)
Richard Walsh 70, 21 acres,; (Fadhu) ; Elizabeth Fitzpatrick 32, Daughter; John Fitzpatrick , 37, Son-in-law ; Richard, 13; Nicholas, 10 ?; Margaret , 8; Ellen,6 ; John, 4(your guy!) ; Mary ? ; Grandchildren; Walter Walsh, 8 Grandson.
Walter was the son of Elizabeth?s brother Michael (baptised 29th Sep 1786)
As for Mary Quilty ? She was born in the townland of Nicholastown and baptised 11th May 1822 ? Godparents James McDonald and Kitty Hoynes. Her father was Michael Quilty born 1796( 1821 census ) in Nicholastown. He died 1st Jun 1846 age 50(1796) and in buried in Mooncoin Old Churchyard. Her mother was Mary Walsh born 1796(1821) or 1799(1851 census) ? she was baptised 16th Jul 1792 in Glengrant - next townland to Moonveen (a few 100 yds apart). She died 1st Apr 1850 age 60(1790) and is buried with her husband in Mooncoin Old Churchyard. Michael and Mary married 21st Feb 1819.
When Michael died in 1846, Mary must have moved the family back to Glengrant as they show up there with Mary?s bachelor brother John in the 1851 census
No. 3 Glengrant John WALSH, 70, farmer, unm., Mary QUILTY 50 sister, m. 1822, Robin Quilty 24 nephew, Ellen Quilty 22 niece. Absent: Mary Quilty niece, in America. Dead: Mary Walsh 51
sister, d. 1850.
As you can see Mary has by this time gone to America which ties in nicely with her arriving when she was 29 ? so sometime around 1850.
The other fact in support of this connection is that Mary and John Fitz married 10th Oct 1848 and had one child in Ireland ? Anastasia born in 1849, who must have died young.
Michael Quilty?s parents were Edmund Quilty born 1761(1821 census) in Nicholastown and Anastasia Quinn B 1765 (townland not named on marriage record from 09th Feb 1792)
Mary Walsh of Glengrant?s parents were Robert Walsh of Glengrant who died 2nd Sep 1812 age 60 (Born 1752) and Eleanor Walsh of Licketstown, born 1753(1821 census) and died 15th Feb 1834 age 78(1756) ? Robert?s father was Edmund Walsh and Eleanor?s father was John Walsh. Both Robert and Mary are buried in Carrigeen.
Mary Quilty(Wood) had a number of brothers and sisters who reminded in Ireland and her sister?s Ellen?s great grandchildren (and their children and grandchildren ) still live in Glengrant today ? so you all have plenty of 4th and 5th cousins. See Peter O?Keefe in 1911 census (her nephew)
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Kilkenny/Portnascully/Glengrant/534919/
Also her brother Edmund?s descendants were still in Nicholastown in 1911 (much check if they still are!) - http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Kilkenny/Tubbriel/Nicholastown/564351/
Also John Fitzpatrick had a brother Michael (Bap 27th Jul 1810) who had multiple descendants in Moonveen right up to the 1950?s - http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Kilkenny/Portnascully/Moonveen/534974/
Many of his Fitzpatrick great grandchildren went to various points in the US in the early 1900?s (Cleveland(OH), Worcester( MA) Davison Co., South Dakota, , PA, NY etc. So you also have multiple US cousins.
Anyway, how am I connected? First I?m from Moonveen and my grandmother was from Glengrant (an O?Keefe). Her great grandmother was a Johanna Walsh also from Glengrant whose marriage witness in 1789 was the above Robert Walsh (Mary Quilty?s grandfather), so I suspect that he was an uncle or brother ? so maybe we are 6th or 7th cousins!
BTW all the Walsh?s above are not related (too closely anyway!). 15% of the population according to the church register in Mooncoin are Walshs.
Anyway, have load more data on your Irish and US cousins, if you want it.
Regards... Bernard
Bernard Walsh
bernardnwalsh@eircom.net
- [S783] Walsh, Bernard - Email, Walsh, Bernard, May 11, 2012>, "Comments," (Reliability: 3), 9 Oct 2012.
From: "Bernard Walsh"
To: webmaster@rootsdigger.org
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 1:36:43 PM
Subject: Comments
Comments: Paul,
It is with great interest that I read the Fitzpatrick part of your family tree. Initially I thought there was no connection when I saw that John was married to a Mary Wood, as the John I have was married to a Mary Quilty. But then I realised what happen. Quilty is an Anglicization of the Irish word coillte meaning woods or forest , and I would think Mary Americanised her surname to Wood when she came to the US.
Anyway, I would like to add a few generations to your mother?s side of the tree. So here are the ancestors of John and Mary. (All the place names below are in South Kilkenny in the RC parish of Mooncoin)
John Fitzpatrick was baptised 27th Oct 1817 in Mooncoin (so same day as he was born) ? Godparents were Thomas Keefe and Mary Dunphy.
His mother Elizabeth Walsh from Moonveen was baptised 11th Apr 1788 - Godparents Richard Keefe and Catherine Dedy ? so ties with your Battie Welsh (assume it was Bettie)
Her parent ; Richard Walsh Born 1751 according to the 1821 census and Margaret Dedy who died 9th Jan 1795 age 41 (so born 1754) ? transcript from headstone in Rathkieran graveyard.
Richard?s father was Walter Walsh who died 29th Dec 1791 age 74(Born 1717) - Rathkieran
John Fitzpatrick?s father was John born 1784(1821 census) and died 27th Aug 1825 age 38(Born 1787) - Carrigeen graveyard
I believe he was baptised in 1783 in St Patricks church in Waterford to Michael Fitzpatrick and mother Ellen (but I need to go look up that record)
Here is the 1821 census extract for House No. 5 in Moonveen (Civil parish Portnascully)
Richard Walsh 70, 21 acres,; (Fadhu) ; Elizabeth Fitzpatrick 32, Daughter; John Fitzpatrick , 37, Son-in-law ; Richard, 13; Nicholas, 10 ?; Margaret , 8; Ellen,6 ; John, 4(your guy!) ; Mary ? ; Grandchildren; Walter Walsh, 8 Grandson.
Walter was the son of Elizabeth?s brother Michael (baptised 29th Sep 1786)
As for Mary Quilty ? She was born in the townland of Nicholastown and baptised 11th May 1822 ? Godparents James McDonald and Kitty Hoynes. Her father was Michael Quilty born 1796( 1821 census ) in Nicholastown. He died 1st Jun 1846 age 50(1796) and in buried in Mooncoin Old Churchyard. Her mother was Mary Walsh born 1796(1821) or 1799(1851 census) ? she was baptised 16th Jul 1792 in Glengrant - next townland to Moonveen (a few 100 yds apart). She died 1st Apr 1850 age 60(1790) and is buried with her husband in Mooncoin Old Churchyard. Michael and Mary married 21st Feb 1819.
When Michael died in 1846, Mary must have moved the family back to Glengrant as they show up there with Mary?s bachelor brother John in the 1851 census
No. 3 Glengrant John WALSH, 70, farmer, unm., Mary QUILTY 50 sister, m. 1822, Robin Quilty 24 nephew, Ellen Quilty 22 niece. Absent: Mary Quilty niece, in America. Dead: Mary Walsh 51
sister, d. 1850.
As you can see Mary has by this time gone to America which ties in nicely with her arriving when she was 29 ? so sometime around 1850.
The other fact in support of this connection is that Mary and John Fitz married 10th Oct 1848 and had one child in Ireland ? Anastasia born in 1849, who must have died young.
Michael Quilty?s parents were Edmund Quilty born 1761(1821 census) in Nicholastown and Anastasia Quinn B 1765 (townland not named on marriage record from 09th Feb 1792)
Mary Walsh of Glengrant?s parents were Robert Walsh of Glengrant who died 2nd Sep 1812 age 60 (Born 1752) and Eleanor Walsh of Licketstown, born 1753(1821 census) and died 15th Feb 1834 age 78(1756) ? Robert?s father was Edmund Walsh and Eleanor?s father was John Walsh. Both Robert and Mary are buried in Carrigeen.
Mary Quilty(Wood) had a number of brothers and sisters who reminded in Ireland and her sister?s Ellen?s great grandchildren (and their children and grandchildren ) still live in Glengrant today ? so you all have plenty of 4th and 5th cousins. See Peter O?Keefe in 1911 census (her nephew)
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Kilkenny/Portnascully/Glengrant/534919/
Also her brother Edmund?s descendants were still in Nicholastown in 1911 (much check if they still are!) - http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Kilkenny/Tubbriel/Nicholastown/564351/
Also John Fitzpatrick had a brother Michael (Bap 27th Jul 1810) who had multiple descendants in Moonveen right up to the 1950?s - http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Kilkenny/Portnascully/Moonveen/534974/
Many of his Fitzpatrick great grandchildren went to various points in the US in the early 1900?s (Cleveland(OH), Worcester( MA) Davison Co., South Dakota, , PA, NY etc. So you also have multiple US cousins.
Anyway, how am I connected? First I?m from Moonveen and my grandmother was from Glengrant (an O?Keefe). Her great grandmother was a Johanna Walsh also from Glengrant whose marriage witness in 1789 was the above Robert Walsh (Mary Quilty?s grandfather), so I suspect that he was an uncle or brother ? so maybe we are 6th or 7th cousins!
BTW all the Walsh?s above are not related (too closely anyway!). 15% of the population according to the church register in Mooncoin are Walshs.
Anyway, have load more data on your Irish and US cousins, if you want it.
Regards... Bernard
Bernard Walsh
bernardnwalsh@eircom.net
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1754 - 1795 (41 years)
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